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how to work with publishers (advice)

Journal Entry: Sun Apr 14, 2013, 8:39 PM


i urge all of you to read this
"working in comics advice"
click above there^^^
since i get these types of questions all the time, i figure, you owe it to yourself to read them, and also because i hate repeating myself.

it also has a peek at an unleashed page i havent posted :)


  • Listening to: everything as always
  • Reading: fragile things
  • Watching: walking dead and doctor who
  • Playing: paper mario sticker star
  • Drinking: waata
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:iconcandralar:
Candralar Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013   Artist
I'm interested in reading what you have to say about this, but when I click the link it just reloads the page.
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great1246-98 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Tried the link just reload page
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Elvenwyn Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thank you so much for posting that, I really needed to know that now.
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:iconweaselton:
weaselton Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013
For some reason the link does not open for me. I just reloads this page.
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:iconjenniferv1311:
JenniferV1311 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Student Writer
Thanks for this!
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Shadow696 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I can't believe I read all that at 3am. I'm not on facebook, I don't try to apply to a job or anything, but I was curious.
Btw, about the TV rarity thing... I usually just watch a few shows while I eat, because it's not like I can do anything else other than watch something anyway.
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:iconel-douglas:
el-douglas Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
good one, thanks.
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SpitfireFae Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013
1) While I have no intention to every try to submit a comic/story/art/ect to a publisher, that was an interesting read. I would think the same advice could be applied to any job though. :)

2) LOVE picture! :D
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:iconesckid:
ESCkid Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013
Thanks for this. inspiring lol
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:icondawnbest:
dawnbest Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Great advice. It took me a few years of learning some of these the hard way before I got a gig, but that's been 10 years ago already. Things do not change and this is as true today as it was then.
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:iconcorsecagent:
CorSecAgent Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
He forgot one... Do not live a million miles away from the publisher... LOL
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:icontoolkitten:
ToolKitten Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
because of the internet, it really doesnt matter. i live 2k miles from dc and zenescope.
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:iconcorsecagent:
CorSecAgent Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure, I know things are changing. It was a joke (albeit not a great one) on the old model whereby if you wanted to play, you had to go where the action was.
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knytcrawlr Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
aaah, it is so clear now, thank you ;D
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ivy7om Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Artist
Thank you very much for posting this. I'm sure it'll help a lot of people. Thankfully, I've only committed a couple of these and only once each.
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MDVillarreal Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fascinating read. Thanks for sharing!
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Cooper3 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Evernoted.

Who knows, maybe I'll write some comic scripts.
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:iconbillstrife:
billstrife Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
P.S. One day we will do a collaboration that will rock this world :D
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:iconbillstrife:
billstrife Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow. That about sums it up. My favorite this about this is the fact that people often forget. YOU CAN SELF PUBLISH!!! If you want a book of your own with your own art just do it, run it, sell it, etc. Its not rocket science. Put the leg work in and things will happen. Thanks for sending this link. You Rock!
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zalterious Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013
I think people have a misconception of what self publish is. It only makes a physical copy of your work. From there on you are on your own. You have no backing. I self publish and it isn't a cake walk. I don't have a publisher to send my work to an editor, or create a cover, or publicize your work to the public, etc. That is all on your own. All costs come out of your pocket and you get nothing until people start to notice your work and buying it.

If your goal is to simply have a physical copy of your work to sell to close friends and family, its a good alternative. If your goal is to attempt to make a living, it's a bit harder. People who work with publishers generally want to do this for a living, so self publish may not be a good alternative for them. I self publish now, but eventually I want to get with a publisher. Believe me, self publishing is not a walk in the park.
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billstrife Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Anything coming out of ones own pocket is never an easy road. People often forget that a mainstream comic book usually is a collaberation of several individuals (this does not include editors). Any artist who wants to do all the work themself is in for an incrediablly long hall. The sheer amont of work involved in writing, designing, etc. is incredibally intimdating, and can discourage most. I myself am one of those victims. Once the creative portion of the book is done, you then have to go and find a company who you the have to pay to have the work put into a physical copy. Once in had you have to find a store, or someone who will help promote or just distribute your work. This portion is also very intimidating and can be a very horrible experience.

The alternative is to host a website and make your book digital and available to the masses. The pros and cons to this are do you charge readers who don't know you a fee in order to read your book, or do you allow yourself exposure and sacrafice money. There is more to this then just the few points, but I understand where your coming from, and I say to you that I wish you the best in your endeavors. You are far braver person than I to take on this task. I hope you suceed. The pay off I hear is amazing.

Best Wishes,

billstrife
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zalterious Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
A few things I've learned in my travels is never give a company money to make your book physical. To charge for cover art, editing, distribution, etc. is fine, as they are all different facets that have to be done anyway. But I've learned if a company says "Give us X amount of money and we'll publish your book," run the other way. There is no guaranty that they will even do a good job. Been there, been burned.

It is extremely difficult to publish on your own, but the plus side is you have complete control. There is no one telling you your story is too long, or that a scene you feel is important or that you really like has to be changed or completely removed. There is no one to argue with but yourself. On the downside you work alone, but if you're up for the challenge, it can be rewarding. You just have to be brutally honest with yourself about your work. That can be the hard part.

There are a few alternative to just tossing out free copies or making it digital. Personally I released a whole chapter and plan to release part of another. You could have little contests or drawings where you offer a free signed copy. And don't forget your local colleges and library's for book signings.
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billstrife Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Those are are really great points. I have to agree with you that giving your money to a company, and telling them hey print my book must be a terrifying experience. I would agree with you on being incrediably hard on yourself, but I went to an extreme where I became so hard on myself that nothing was ever good enough. Finidng that balance is really tough. I never went the distance so I have to say anyone who actually finishes a book and it is done well I admire because it is so hard.
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:iconzalterious:
zalterious Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
As with anything, there is a trick to it and that trick will be different for everyone. If you want to talk more about it, feel free to send me a message.
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ToolKitten Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
no it sure isnt easy is it.

a lot of people are reacting to this in a way that has me wondering if they were even paying attention. lots of people ask me all the time how to contact publishers and how they should act when working with them, they really dont know, as well as i didnt until i actually did. there is a conduct there thats expected. the people wanting those answers arent interested in becoming a colorist to self publish XD
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zalterious Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
I've done the same before, asking how to published, though I wasn't trying to publish a comic. I quickly realized that they got asked that question a lot and really tried to avoid asking out right. We all got thick skulls. It takes a few blows before it starts to sink in. :)
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ToolKitten Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
well this isnt a guide for self publishing, its how to work with publishers.
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:iconbillstrife:
billstrife Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No I understood the point of the post. My point may not have been clear and I apologize. I was trying to state that for those who are not exposed enough or are find it difficult to make any real connections and cons and such could try this alternative. The internet is a wonderful thing now adays to obtain exposure. Also comic book stores can also sometimes be a good way to network and get a book out the if you can produce a good enough pitch as to why they should stock your book on their shelf. I am sorry if I was not clear. I do appreciate the pointers on how how to speak to publishers so as not to come across as just a meer fanboy.
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Ollivieri-art Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
The no drinking thing at conventions must be an American thing, all the cons I've got too and gotten into the after party, all the creators are merrily hammering them down.
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ToolKitten Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
i think he means during the con, not after. we all have fun after the show here as well.
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:iconollivieri-art:
Ollivieri-art Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah that makes more sense, as fun as seeing a creator drink jack on ice would be, it's a recipe for disaster.
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Disaya Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very interesting read, thanks for posting. :)
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